CHRISTOPHER•ALLEN•SMITH•WINTON Family Tree - Person Sheet
CHRISTOPHER•ALLEN•SMITH•WINTON Family Tree - Person Sheet
Birth PlaceOld Fargie, Arngask, Fife, Scotland
MemoInferred from date of baptism. Before 15 May 1891, Old Fargie was in Fife.
Bapt Date26 Apr 1795 [6104]
Bapt PlaceArngask, Perthshire, Scotland
Reside Date7 Oct 1818 [6583]
Reside PlaceMullingar, County Westmeath, Ireland
Census Date6 Jun 1841 [6220]
Census PlaceCrieff, Perthshire, Scotland
MemoMiller St. (West Church quoad sacra parish)
Census Date30 Mar 1851 [6557]
Census PlaceWest Church, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
MemoPomarium Street
Death Date2 Jan 1874 [6154]
Death PlacePerth, Perthshire, Scotland
MemoTibbermore Poorhouse. Age given as 75 (not consistent with date of birth)
Burial PlacePerth, Perthshire, Scotland [1498, MEMORIAL# 201928769]
MemoGreyfriars Churchyard
Alt.SpellingJohn WANTON [6464]
Alt.SpellingJames WANTAN [6286]
OccupationLabourer [6220]
FatherHugh WANTON (~1766-ca1799)
MotherChristian FERGUSON (ca1764-ca1844)
Misc. Notes
The 1841 census notes that James was not born in his county of residence, Perthshire (it was a Yes/No question). This is correct because at the time of his birth, Old Fargie was in the Fife portion of the parish of Arngask.
The 1851 census, James Wanton was recorded as a 52-year-old widowed porter, living as a lodger on Pomarium Street in the city of Perth. Therefore his estimated year of birth is 1798, but it says he was born in that city also. He was living with 7 unrelated people, though curiously, the stepdaughter of the head of household was born in Arngask, Fife.
In the marriage record, James was described as being a private in 2nd Company, 78th Regiment, so, unlike most marriage records, it doesn’t say what parish he was from. His son, Archibald, was born in Ireland, so that is clearly one of the places he served in that regiment.
This article at this URL is believed to be about the poorhouse where James died:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Perth/
The 1851 census, James Wanton was recorded as a 52-year-old widowed porter, living as a lodger on Pomarium Street in the city of Perth. Therefore his estimated year of birth is 1798, but it says he was born in that city also. He was living with 7 unrelated people, though curiously, the stepdaughter of the head of household was born in Arngask, Fife.
In the marriage record, James was described as being a private in 2nd Company, 78th Regiment, so, unlike most marriage records, it doesn’t say what parish he was from. His son, Archibald, was born in Ireland, so that is clearly one of the places he served in that regiment.
This article at this URL is believed to be about the poorhouse where James died:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Perth/
Military
Private in 2nd Company, 78th Regiment of Foot (was already in this service at the time of his marriage) [6219] [6583] [6583] For some period which included the year 1818, this regiment was based in Ireland. [6850]
(pending documentation): enlisted at age 17 for 10 years during the Napoleonic Wars (so, about 1812-1822).
(pending documentation): enlisted at age 17 for 10 years during the Napoleonic Wars (so, about 1812-1822).
Research
There was a James WANTON, a weaver, born in the parish of West Church in the city of Perth, who enlisted in the military at age 16, from 1812-1821, 2nd Battalion 91st Foot Soldiers. This is not the unit that our James was in at the time of marriage. The record strangely implies he was promoted to Corporal 9 days before he enlisted. Later he was transferred to 1st Batt. 18-OCT-1814
(The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Class Number: WO 25; Class Title: 91 Foot 2 Battn; Piece Number: 527; Piece Title: 91 Foot 2 Battn)
The only male children of James W?NT?N and Cath?rine STEWART in the period 1818-1835, who were born in Perthshire, were William (1826) and John (1832). - ScotlandsPeople.
I also found via an index on Ancestry & ScotlandsPeople, that a James Winton, was born 19 Apr 1799 (bap.22 Apr) in the parish of Perth (#387) to parents James Winton and Isobell Johnston.
In 1851 there were 5 adults named James WINTON/WANTON in Perthshire, but only one who was old enough to be this James and he was a porter, which agrees with the death record. So it seems likely the son of Isobell Johnston had already died or left the county. On the other hand, the death record appears to have the wrong name given as James’ mother.
In 1861, there is a James Winton living at the Poor Lodging Houses in "Perth Burgh" registration district, and is reported as a widower, age 69, so born ca.1792, but in Findo Gask, Perthshire. He was a "Stableman." Relationship to head of household is "Pauper." If this is our James, somebody confused “Arngask” with “Findo Gask.” Have not been able to find a James in the 1871 census of Perthshire old enough to be a close match.
(Ancestry.com. Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms)
11-MAR-2018: Searched “British Army Service Records” at Findmypast.com and did not find any entries with sufficient detail to match to James.
(The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Class Number: WO 25; Class Title: 91 Foot 2 Battn; Piece Number: 527; Piece Title: 91 Foot 2 Battn)
The only male children of James W?NT?N and Cath?rine STEWART in the period 1818-1835, who were born in Perthshire, were William (1826) and John (1832). - ScotlandsPeople.
I also found via an index on Ancestry & ScotlandsPeople, that a James Winton, was born 19 Apr 1799 (bap.22 Apr) in the parish of Perth (#387) to parents James Winton and Isobell Johnston.
In 1851 there were 5 adults named James WINTON/WANTON in Perthshire, but only one who was old enough to be this James and he was a porter, which agrees with the death record. So it seems likely the son of Isobell Johnston had already died or left the county. On the other hand, the death record appears to have the wrong name given as James’ mother.
In 1861, there is a James Winton living at the Poor Lodging Houses in "Perth Burgh" registration district, and is reported as a widower, age 69, so born ca.1792, but in Findo Gask, Perthshire. He was a "Stableman." Relationship to head of household is "Pauper." If this is our James, somebody confused “Arngask” with “Findo Gask.” Have not been able to find a James in the 1871 census of Perthshire old enough to be a close match.
(Ancestry.com. Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms)
11-MAR-2018: Searched “British Army Service Records” at Findmypast.com and did not find any entries with sufficient detail to match to James.
Spouses
Birth Date1796 [6220]
Birth PlacePerthshire, Scotland
MemoRange from 1841 census: 1792-1796
Reside Date7 Oct 1818 [6583]
Reside PlaceMullingar, County Westmeath, Ireland
Census Date6 Jun 1841 [6220]
Census PlaceCrieff, Perthshire, Scotland
MemoMiller St. (West Church quoad sacra parish)
Alt.SpellingCatharine STEWART (OPR births of her children)
Misc. Notes
The marriage record says Catherine was living in Bridge-end, Perth. According to “Topographical Dictionary of Scotland” (London, 1813; PDF page 252), there were two of those in Perthshire. One was a place in the parish of Crieff, on the River Earn, and the other was just across the River Tay from the city of Perth. Given that their son, John, was apparently born in Crieff, it was probably the former.
Research
18-FEB-2018: Searched “Statutory registers: Deaths” on ScotlandsPeople:
You searched for: Surname: 'W?nt?n', Surname Option: 'Wild', Forename: 'Cath', Forename Option: 'Starts', From_year: '1855', To_year: '1890', Birth_year: '1796', Birth_year_range: '5', County: 'PERTH'
>>> No matches.
Also searched “Church registers: Old Parish Registers”:
You searched for: Event: 'D', Church_type: 'Old Parish Registers', Surname: 'W?nt?n', Surname Option: 'Wild', Forename: 'Cath', Forename Option: 'Starts', From_year: '1841', To_year: '1874', County: 'PERTH'
>>> No matches.
Have not been able to find Catherine in the 1851 census, Perthshire.
Possibly had another male son, ca. 1820, while in Ireland, though the Army records to not have a record of that.
16-FEB-2023: MEMORIAL# 201928778 on Findagrave says she died 6 Feb 1849 but I can’t find that at ScotlandsPeople. Also, the Biographical section of that memorial claims she was only 36, born in 1813, so something is wrong there. The birth field in the memorial says she was born in 1791, which is possible, based on 1841 census.
You searched for: Surname: 'W?nt?n', Surname Option: 'Wild', Forename: 'Cath', Forename Option: 'Starts', From_year: '1855', To_year: '1890', Birth_year: '1796', Birth_year_range: '5', County: 'PERTH'
>>> No matches.
Also searched “Church registers: Old Parish Registers”:
You searched for: Event: 'D', Church_type: 'Old Parish Registers', Surname: 'W?nt?n', Surname Option: 'Wild', Forename: 'Cath', Forename Option: 'Starts', From_year: '1841', To_year: '1874', County: 'PERTH'
>>> No matches.
Have not been able to find Catherine in the 1851 census, Perthshire.
Possibly had another male son, ca. 1820, while in Ireland, though the Army records to not have a record of that.
16-FEB-2023: MEMORIAL# 201928778 on Findagrave says she died 6 Feb 1849 but I can’t find that at ScotlandsPeople. Also, the Biographical section of that memorial claims she was only 36, born in 1813, so something is wrong there. The birth field in the memorial says she was born in 1791, which is possible, based on 1841 census.
Marr Date16 Nov 1817 [6219]
Marr PlaceStirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Misc. Notes
You searched for: Event: 'M', Church_type: 'Old Parish Registers', Surname: 'W?nt?n', Surname Option: 'Wild', Forename: 'James', Forename Option: 'Starts', Spouse_name: 'Cath', Spouse_name Option: 'Starts', From_year: '1817', To_year: '1817'
this search gives two results that appear identical in every field. (2 Jan 2018)
this search gives two results that appear identical in every field. (2 Jan 2018)